Kinjo 12-15-2004 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
I have found a good starting point for me was to evoke elementals. This would also have the benefit of helping me attune to the particular element I was incorporating into my aura.

These beings are reletively easy to evoke and are for the most part benign, but just do not let them take charge.

- VVV (210/3)

Frater Manjet, how do you recommend to proceed doing that?

Frater Manjet 12-16-2004 03:35 AM

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I will state that the better tuned your astral vision the more proficient you will become in more ways than mere manifestations. An example would becoming more aware of synchronistic events tied to the evokation.

A simple evokation of a salamander by VVV (210/3)

Prepare a quiet secluded and dark place to work undisturbed. Have your four elemental candles in each quarter and a single white candle in the center in front of your shewstone/mirror or other skrying device.

Recite Hekas, Hekas Este Bebelois!
LBRP(trad. by earth), LIRP (trad. by fire) .. at this point I open the watchtower of the south, but only recommend that for those comfortable with Enochian. At this point extinguish all other elemental candles except the red one in the south and use it to light the center white candle.

Recite your oration/address/intent while staring at the candle in front of your skrying device.

Maintain your one pointed focus on the skrying device whilst tracing an intuitive sigil ( three-dimensional) in the air. Remember do NOT follow the flame with your eyes! Now close your eyes tight with a deep inhalation as if you were breathing in the sigil. See the retina burn begin to form it's own life. Now with a sharp exhale blow out the white candle ( and life into the sigil ) open your eyes and return to your one-pointed stare into your skrying device.

Always give license to depart regardless of how succesful you feel you have been.

LBRP (trad by Fire), LBRP (trad. by Earth) and any other closings you feel appropriate. I prefer the three knells and stomp with the sign of silence.

Various measures of success will be how animate it becomes, how interactive and how long it will remain.

I hope this is useful to you all

- VVV (210/3)

Frater Manjet 12-16-2004 03:54 AM

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Brother Nero had a quite succesful operation that we may be able to nudge him into sharing for evoking a gnome...

- VVV (210/3)

seacress 12-16-2004 08:20 AM

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Hello rodders.You should at the very least develope some scying ability,When i say some,i mean you should be able to stare at the mirror and enter trance,and have good intuition.It will feel like you are talking to yourself,and images of what you are "viewing" will come into your head strongly,but you will know it is not just your basic creative imagination.After awile,it will all appear vividly.But i am certainly no expert and everyone is different.Question.Someone said summoning spirits by konstantinos is a good beginers book on evocation.#1.Evocation is not for beginers.#2if you can do all that is in the book,then you are far from a beginer.Sometimes we get pulled in when someone new to this asks for help and we assume they are ready.If you are not ready,there is not a book in the world that will work for you.The art of evocation,practiced in its true form,by experienced magicians,is the art of a wizard.I mean that the information one gets from an entitie can be immedietly practiced by the ready magician.You will find noone who successfully practices evocation mention the word beginner.

Nero 12-17-2004 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
Brother Nero had a quite succesful operation that we may be able to nudge him into sharing for evoking a gnome...

- VVV (210/3)

Well I am unsure just how much I would like to share on this subject. I am usually very open with my work. More than I should be most times, but for some reason I feel the need to hold back this time. But I will share my outline but leave out some details.

I love Frater Manjets suggestion on how to find the sigil. Is a great idea. When I wanted to contact a gnome I was unsure how to call one without first having a name or sigil handy. So I decided the only way was to just evoke Ghob and then ask him for a gnome familer.

I used a streamlined solomon setup with a triangle of the art. I used an earthy incense and on either side of the triangle I placed smooth stones and a small cup full of salt. Before the triangle I placed the golden dawn elemental disk and placed Ghobs sigil on top of this. All facing north.

I banished my space with the pentagram and hexagram rituals and then sat for awhile in prayer for protection and success. I then called in earth energy using a form of the SIRP and connected this to my aura using the elemental attunment ritual. After this I sat facing north and took my time in silence contemplating the earth symbols before me and feeling the earth energy around/in me and then slowly repeated the Prayer of the Gnomes from Agrippa. Once this was all completed I then turned my attention upon the sigil of Ghob. After some time was spent concentrating upon this I spoke the call, making sure to call him in the name and power of Adoni HaAretz and Adoni Melekh, along with the apropiate archangel and Kerbum.

After a few minitues and repeating the call a few times Ghob showed up in the triangle. He was a short, squat little man with no beard but a wrinkly face. He wore a brown high collor shirt and a shapeless bag for a hat. I greeted him and checked his identity. He said very little but upon my request for a gnome familer he gestured and a small gnome appeared.

(This is the part I am still wondering about. The gnome did not appear inside the triangle as Ghob had. Instead he appeared next to the stone I had put next to it.)

The gnome gave me his name and sigil and agreed to help me. I thanked them both and gave liscense to depart. Then banished.

A few words on gnomes:
Having one as a familiar is not as cool as you would think. I expected to learn a great deal from him and I have but not in the way you would expect. You have to remember that these entities may look human but they are not. Not even close. They are the pure element and that is all. A gnomes language skills are not the greatest. Most questions seem to confuse them. They are good to get things for you but this tends to be hit or miss because they tend to agree with anything you ask them even if they cannot do it. They are not lying to you because they don't seem to understand that concept. Also there are more than one type of gnome. At least their appears to be. Some look like little people and others look nothing like that. Closer to worms and lizards. I am sure their true form is not even close. The appearance as I have seen them might just indicate their jobs.
Finally a gnome has endless amounts of patience. Something we could all learn.


Nero 12-19-2004 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
at this point I open the watchtower of the south, but only recommend that for those comfortable with Enochian.


First of all I would not recommend this normally unless you are familer with the system as Frater Manjet says. I try and keep any enochian I might run into in my work to a minimum. The few phrases and times I have used it has really packed a punch, even something as simple as vibrating a few enochian words. So I am curious about something. I realize opening the watchtower is just standard operating procedure for you Frater, but does it affect anything by doing so in an evocation of a elemental creature such as as this? Would the elemental be different by the very act of calling them with enochian current and words as opposed to hebrew divine names? Does the presence of the enochian current in the ritual affect the elementals energy level or actions? Normally I wouldn't think so, but I am just curious.


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At this point extinguish all other elemental candles except the red one in the south and use it to light the center white candle.


BTW, just wanted to give props for this suggestion. What a beautifully simple but elegant suggestion. I will have to remember this one.

Frater Manjet 12-20-2004 04:16 AM

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I wish to make a clarification on a minor, but important point that might get lost on some. When I speak of opening the Watchtower of the south, I do not mean the ceremony of "Opening by Watchtower".

Now as to the difference in the elementals called forth from the watchtower of the south? This I cannot speak with much authority as Enochian has been my mainstay and focus for almost all my magickal life. I can say they have the "flavor' of the current, and communicate in a mode that resonates with the Enochian.

Is this purely my subjective perception? Is this symptomatic of the current itself? Mayhaps a mixture of both... I cannot say.

-VVV (210/3)



palindroem 12-20-2004 08:59 AM

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When I speak of opening the Watchtower of the south, I do not mean the ceremony of "Opening by Watchtower".


Not to be pushy . . . but just so I can better understand the complete distinction. Can you clarify just a bit more verbosly (thanks).

Nero (or Fr. M), was Frater Manjets suggestion for finding an elementals name and sigil to call on the king?
Thanks of adding your elemental evoke experience . . very nice.
I have the personal impression that for many entities (particularly those in direct "angelic" hierarchical line) that the triangle is a pleasantry or custom . . rather then an actual binding.

Nero 12-20-2004 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by palindroem
Not to be pushy . . . but just so I can better understand the complete distinction. Can you clarify just a bit more verbosly (thanks).


The Opening by Watchtower is (as I know you know) the ritual designed by Regardie. But you can do what is called Open a watchtower or tablet as you will. It activates the enochian tablet and floods your temple with the elemental currents as well as enochian currents as well I would assume. The method I know has you draw invoking pentagrams over the tablet as you vibrate the enochian hierarchy of the tablet. I am unsure of Frater Manjet's method.


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Nero (or Fr. M), was Frater Manjets suggestion for finding an elementals name and sigil to call on the king?


No, which is why I enjoyed his suggestion so much. I went to the king because I could think of no other way to do it. Manjet skipped the middle man and drew an elemental to him, very clever of him.


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Thanks of adding your elemental evoke experience . . very nice.


I am glad that you liked it...


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I have the personal impression that for many entities (particularly those in direct "angelic" hierarchical line) that the triangle is a pleasantry or custom . . rather then an actual binding.


That is a new one on me. Evocation is not my strong point. I had assumed the triangle would contain due to the divine names upon it. It made me take a step back to wonder if the first spirit I called came to the triangle but the spirits under him are not held by that space.

Nero 12-20-2004 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
I can say they have the "flavor' of the current, and communicate in a mode that resonates with the Enochian.

Is this purely my subjective perception? Is this symptomatic of the current itself? Mayhaps a mixture of both... I cannot say.

-VVV (210/3)




This is as I would have expected. Are the elementals different and if so why? I guess we will be unable to answear that question right now. Thank you for your thoughts on this matter.

BrotherM 12-20-2004 09:28 PM

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Nero, How do you view your spirits? Do you use a mirror placed inside the triange? If so, how did you percieve the elemental outside of the mirror next to the stone outside the triangle? I just interested to know how you do it because I don't use a mirror.

I don't use a mirror for evokations and as a result my 'viewings' are very rough. I usually get a vision that looks like an Aura or a Reflection from the Astral that is overlaid with what my physical eyes percieve. I think Mirrors give clearer visions, but I don't like them because i find them limiting.

Very interested to know how you do it man, always open to try new ways and validate my own.

thanks,

BrotherM

Nero 12-20-2004 09:59 PM

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BrotherM,
I have tried to use the mirror but I have never gotten it to work properly. Mainly due to the fact I have not put the time into learning the skill to use one. The method I use is to close my eyes and I get a picture in my mind's eye. Actually how I tend to see spirits is in flashes of detail that only after the fact can I piece together and see the whole scene as one vision.

The gnome I have never gotten a clear view of. Mainly I "feel" his presence more than anything. Often times I will be almost asleep and he will appear on the bed and sort of "buzz" me to see if I need anything. Feeling the presence is much easier than seeing them in my opinion.


BrotherM 12-20-2004 11:03 PM

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Nero,

Cool, thanks for sharing, i really appreciate it. I agree with what you say about being able to feel being easier than being able to see. It is also not necessay to 'view' clearly as the feeling is mostly sufficient anyway.

You shared, now it's my turn:

Try this with your gnome if you like, to see if you can 'view' with your eyes open. Like i said, the visions are fuzzy and i refer to them as reflections of the Astral, because that is what they look like to me. The vision is actually quite like the Flashing colours of the tattwa cards, but the experience is totally different.

First up, do the LBRP outside in a park or something at night. After you have done it, spend a moment looking around at the trees and things in the park. Then, walk out of your circle and turn around to look back through the area that you have banished - you should see (read: I see) white outlines on objects, or an etheric kind of haze around things, this is what i think is the Astral reflection of the physical objects on our plane. I admit that this is not all that there is to it, but i can't verbalise the change in conciousness that is required. if you like, it is almost like 'opening' your third eye and 'viewing' with your whole head and not just your two eyes (sorry for the crap descrition). If you don't see anything, leave it and do it another night - it may take a little work

After you can see the outlines / haze, you no longer need the LBRP to make it work, just will it to happen. My theory as to why this works is that all objects have Astral reflections on our plane, but our minds filter out the 'interference' as we grow up and are taught that our imaginary friends aren't really there etc. The LBRP has a physical effect on the link between the Astral and Physical planes, we are then able to percieve the Difference or change because we haven't learnt to filter that out yet. By focusing on this difference, we can again learn to see the reflections from the Astral.

So when the reflections / haze are visible, you should be able to see your gnome by virtue of his reflection being there, but not his physical body. He will appear like a Haze with no physical counter part.

enjoy,

BrotherM

Frater V.V.L 12-28-2004 01:52 PM

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I know what you are talking about BrotherM, Even when I was little I could will myself to see shapes and outlines of things that "Were not there" My mother rubbed them off as retinal after-imaging even tho my eyes were open!, my grandfather, an occultist just told me they were sense's that everyone could develop and that I shouldnt' be afraid of anything I see or hear (before I went to sleep I would "hear" voices not like spooky spectre voices, more like people talking on the phone...) looking back know, being a magician in training I am glad I have this skill, Also I used to stare at the carpets in school, we had really weird ones with lots of different colors, and they would blend together in my eyes,...and form images,. Only after 7 years of not even thinking about this did I learn that da vinci (was it?) used this same technique for inspiring creativity! lol