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Vibration and the LBRP
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Celtic SoulFire 06-12-2004 06:08 AM
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Vibration and the LBRP
I am not aware if this question has been asked before, but if it
has,
forgive my ignorance.
I was wondering as to which way one should vibrate names. Should
each
syllable be given a whole breath for vibration or should the
entire
name flow out within a single breath (meaning less time for each
syllabilic vibration). I have tried the first last night and it
seemed
to be of a much stronger quality, but I'd like an official view to
confirm.
Some other questions I have had on the LBRP can be viewed in the
latest entry on my LiveJournal:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ce...fire/15426.html
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
Tzimtzum 06-12-2004 06:26 AM
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Good question. :)
It should be delivered in one fluid breath, vocalizing the vowel
sounds as deeply as possible, extending the name for the duration
of the breath. That's the way I've usually seen it done, and have
always done it that way. I seems to extend the energies more
fluidly.
Kuroi Kaze 06-12-2004 07:00 AM
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http://users.pandora.be/the_mib_/temp/lbrp.mp3
Tzimtzum 06-12-2004 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroi Kaze
http://users.pandora.be/the_mib_/temp/lbrp.mp3
Yeah, just like that.
Otto von Skar 06-12-2004 09:11 AM
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We could liken the Vibratory Fourmula to a radio frequency...the
more accurately the sounds are made, the more effective the
results will be - similarly, the closer one gets to an exact radio
frequency, the more clear the sounds will be.
Eheieh 06-12-2004 12:37 PM
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Firstly, I would say that every question is a new question at this
point. I hope that the mods and members allow for some rehashing
of covered, yet lost, topics.
Beyond that, this is a great question. My experience has been that
it doesn't matter so much how it's done, as long as it feels right
for you. While I prefer the great voice, when I have vibrated the
names outloud, I make sure that I breathe deeply and use my
stomach to control the sound. It is deep and resonating.
Next, I would remind you that this is not just a sound effect. I
suggest that you should also visualize your body charging with raw
energy as you breathe in, then focusing that energy on the power
and divinity of that divine name as you exhale and speak it,
sensing the very Universe resonate with your call.
I hope this helps! :)
PantherBaebe 06-12-2004 12:43 PM
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I asked this question one our first attempt at remaking OF and I
was directed to these two very helpful site:
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n5/vibratoryform.html
http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/vibrate.htm
(Sorry I have no idea how to make those links)
I hope they help you too!
Panth.
Celtic SoulFire 06-12-2004 08:36 PM
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Thank you everyone for the information and opinions. They have
helped greatly. :)
Some questions on the mp3 file for Kuroi Kaze:
Firstly, it sounds to me like some of the syllables are receiving
more/less stress than others, and I have read/been told that each
should be giving the same ammount of stress. Is this, like many
parts of the ritual, a matter of opinion and taste?
Secondly, "Ve-Geburah" and "Ve-Gedulah" sounds to me like
stressing the "Ve" and the "Ah" syllable of the following word,
and more pronouncing the two sullables in between. Is this correct
or just a matter of personal taste/experience?
Thirdly, there is the matter of "Ve" itself being pronounced as
"Vay" or "Vee". I have been told to pronounce it as "Veh", so
again I summise the opinion of "taste".
Lastly, it sounds like there could be a slight elongation made to
the vibrations as a whole (i.e. there's more room in one breath
for a longer vibration. Of course, this is only what it sounds
like to me, for I have not heard myself vibrating the names from
an outside, objective manor). This point, of course, is more
advice from myself and has no real grounds. You have, however,
welcomed constructive criticism, Kuroi Kaze, so this is the minor
point I would mention. The other questions are more a matter of
inquisitiveness on my behalf.
Please forgive my insistance on the small matters like this, but
in some ways I want to know that I have "perfected" my own way of
doing the ritual, and part of this is by knowing other people's
opinions and experiences with the different pronounciations, etc.
Actually, the mp3 thing has just spawned the idea in my mind that
I could record my own practicing of said ritual and then listen to
it with a more objective ear. Thank you kindly all, for your
replies were in great haste and of great quality. :)
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
Frater Manjet 06-13-2004 01:57 AM
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Over the years I have experimented and modified accents and
syllables for various vibratory formulae. The LBRP is merely one
of many instances where you will employ this technique.
I would not fret over such small details and instead focus on the
"feel". We are all unique and our approaches will inevitably vary.
More important than seeking perfection in these minutia allow
yourself to be inflamed in grandness of the whole experience.
Feeling your vibration throughout yourself and so throughout the
cosm is the key. The rest is all just methodology. You will "know"
it when you do it.
...my two coppers
Great MP3 btw I have it added to my various magickal media
folder....
Om A piap (210/3)
Kuroi Kaze 06-13-2004 06:39 AM
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I agree with Frater Manjet. The way of pronouncing these words of
power is based on educated guesses at best. Experience has shown
me that pronounciation and pitch do matter, but that everyone
individual is wired differently. That everyone must find his/her
own way of doing things. The way I vibrate the words of power is
based on what a friend of mine who helped me out with the
vibratory technique taught me, but it evolved over time (and is
still evolving), thus having a more personal "accent" and becoming
a more personal thing.
Frater Manjet 06-13-2004 08:07 AM
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In regards to your MP3 Kuroi Kaze I want to discuss a major
difference.
I used to chant the statements and phrases other than the words of
power in a similar way. I have since switched to a less
chanting/vibrating method to a more declarative mode, much as the
statement / declaration of the pentagram and hexagram in your MP3.
( I declare ) "Before me!... ( I vibrate ) Rapheal etc....
I find it gives me a much stronger sense of command and sovreignty
in my working. Have you experimented with this type of approach?
If so what were your impressions?
Om A Piap (210/3)
Otto von Skar 06-13-2004 08:29 AM
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When I played the MP3 above, my cat who was sitting on the table
suddenly jumped in shock and stared at the speaker when the
vibration was uttered. Cats are sensitive, I suppose.
Eheieh 06-13-2004 04:14 PM
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More important than the minutia...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
More important than seeking perfection in these minutia [is to]
allow yourself to be inflamed in [the] grandness of the whole
experience.
I just wanted to emphasize this statement by our esteemed Frater
Manjet. It's one of those statements that gives a glowing sense of
"YES!" right in my gut. One can tend to overlook this, including
myself, when they're knee-deep in Kabbalah or Crowleyana or some
other form of scientific illuminism.
Qryztufre 06-13-2004 10:58 PM
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Here is another site with audio...though, ummm...it's a bit
different, it's got like bells & laughter(?).
http://psychopompontario.tripod.com/arts/lbrp.htm
It was made fer interenet radio, so I guess it's a bit more
showy...but it does link up to a Tuvan throat singing site as well
as a study guide.
Q
Kuroi Kaze 06-14-2004 12:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frater Manjet
In regards to your MP3 Kuroi Kaze I want to discuss a major
difference.
I used to chant the statements and phrases other than the words of
power in a similar way. I have since switched to a less
chanting/vibrating method to a more declarative mode, much as the
statement / declaration of the pentagram and hexagram in your MP3.
( I declare ) "Before me!... ( I vibrate ) Rapheal etc....
I find it gives me a much stronger sense of command and sovreignty
in my working. Have you experimented with this type of approach?
If so what were your impressions?
I did try this, but it made the ritual less continuous and flowing
for me.
Frater Manjet 06-14-2004 12:25 AM
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Interesting... I can see how that would lend itself in that
regard. It is amazing to me how even something as subtle as this
can make such a difference amongst individuals, at the same time
be intrinsicly true to the ritual.
My declarations are vibratory in a way. They are just very
seperate from the words of power. I feel them resonate, but they
have a far different feel.
I hope these discussions help others realize the diversity within
an appearantly strict format. There is much more flexibilty then
at first appears.
Om A Piap (210/3)
Celtic SoulFire 06-14-2004 02:04 AM
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Thank you all for furthering the discussion into other grounds. I
had intended to mention the vibration of declarations, but it
slipped my mind. Since it's not a name, I don't feel inclinded to
vibrate it. The direct statement of "Before me..." tends to work
best for me.
I have another question though, this one regarding visualisation
of the pentagram. Over the past few days the image of the white
pentagrams have changed to hexagrams and I don't know why. I've
tried really hard to visualise the pentagram, but the hexagram
keeps overwriting it. I know this might be alleviated with more
practice, but I'd like to make sure I'm practicing the right
symbol within the ritual of intent. Has anyone else experience
this or know of whats to combat it? I suppose I could just look at
a pentagram for a few minutes prior to the ritual and hope its
shape imprints itself onto my mind?
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
Frater Manjet 06-14-2004 02:17 AM
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So... are you actualy tracing pentagrams and "seeing" hexagrams?
Am I following you correctly?
If so this IS a big issue as your focus of intent must not be
swayed hither and thither. If one is working the pentagrams then
one should "see" or at least know that they are such. This must be
addressed as soon as possible. The higher workings are very
dependent on visualization of much more complex imagery.
PM me if you wish some private assistance on how we can address
this if you wish.
Om A Piap (210/3)
Kuroi Kaze 06-14-2004 03:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Qryztufre
Here is another site with audio...though, ummm...it's a bit
different, it's got like bells & laughter(?).
http://psychopompontario.tripod.com/arts/lbrp.htm
Thank you for this MP3, Q. I never heard it before. Very cool! :)
The Other Steve 06-14-2004 03:54 PM
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The ontario LBRP link was posted before but although I got the
MP3, I never kept a record of the site - thanks for posting up the
link again! I have this, Kuroi's MP3 and Regardie doing an
excerpt. I play them on loop at work as a sort of
meditation/training tape! Sometimes on speakers when I want to be
left alone!
Since hearing the ontario mp3 I switched to the vocal declaration
of the phrases too, but in a Jaz Coleman-esque shriek.
Celtic SoulFire 06-14-2004 05:05 PM
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Where did you get the Regardie excerpt, The Other Steve?
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
The Other Steve 06-14-2004 05:47 PM
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It was on the thread we had previously discussing vibration - with
Kuroi's excellent MP3 and the link to the Ontario LBRP. I believe
there is a CD made from the original wax cylinder recordings of
Regardie available, although I cannot remember from whom. It's a
cert that someone on these boards has a copy though.
The excerpt in question is only 30 seconds, but zips nicely to 310
kb if you want to PM your e-mail address to me.
EDIT - try 156184201X on Amazon.com
azi dahaka 06-14-2004 06:31 PM
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http://www.newfalcon.com/books/cdset01_banishing.htm
insert_name_here 06-30-2004 05:02 PM
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I use Israel Regardie's Golden Dawn tapes, they are very helpful
Celtic SoulFire 06-30-2004 06:57 PM
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Yes, a friend sent me the Regardie LBRP (the full version, not the
sample) and it was very helpful, especially how he pronounces the
Tetragrammaton.
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
Aetheric Engineer 06-30-2004 10:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic SoulFire
Yes, a friend sent me the Regardie LBRP (the full version, not the
sample) and it was very helpful, especially how he pronounces the
Tetragrammaton.
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
I've always been told the vibrations are of a much higher pitch,
which I've always felt sounded like very creepy singing. I would
love to hear Regardie vibrate the God names so if you can, could
you post his vibration of the LBRP?
Celtic SoulFire 07-01-2004 12:26 AM
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I don't have a website, but if you use any kind of messenger I
could send you it through there (It's too large for email). You
should be wary though - some of the names aren't stressed as I
feel they should be, but then Regardie is far more adept than I,
so perhaps a seemingly subtle vibration works just as good for
him. A feel a strong high-pitch vibration works best - gives that
otherworldly feel to it (and matches my experience of Buddhist
mantras).
To and for by,
Celtic SoulFire.
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