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Grab08-20-2004, 10:14 AM
Are servitors, elementals and egregores bascially the same thing?
I have some intuitions. Elementals are constructed using one or
more elements (FAWE), and given a name and then sent off. When
they are done, they "dissappear". Egregores are similar except
trapped into a clay figurine, so you must destroy it ritually when
it's done. Servitors are similar to elementals, except they don't
have a particular element, and are also given a sigil, so that you
might reuse the same guy many times. (But all this might be
incorrect.)
/grab
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Wiseone08-20-2004, 10:51 AM
well im pretty good with elementals and what you say of them is
right expect for some things. if you want to keep the elementals
than you keep them in statues or something like an egregore until
furthur need of them. and they can be used for other things as
well like helping with defense against attacks or whatnot.
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Watcher08-20-2004, 11:49 AM
These are all very different things. No offense to the chaotes
around but a lot of the confusion is due to their end. Let the
record show I have nothing against them, some people say my
methods a bit like theirs.
an elemental is an earth spirit composed of a majority of one
element. They contain only minimal bits of the other elements and
are helped along by being in contact with the other elements
through a mediator, usually you. a servitor is an all purpose name
for any spiritual entity which serves you but most use it to mean
a created thing and not a spirit "familiar" per say. so a lot
falls under the head of servitor and that is really the problem,
widesweeping terminology.
you can add extra words to denote, say your definition of an
elemental is sometimes called an elementary or elemental servitor.
whether or not it is attached to a statue is immaterial to the
term itself, like potatoes underground, or red paint on the wall.
The idea of red and paint combined are relevent, but the idea of
"red paint" is no way influenced itself by being on the wall.
Egregores are a lot harder to define. I once read a nine page
article on the history, etymology, definition, and uses of
egregores. From what I see its a bit more abstract. They are large
structures of intertwining energy that you can tap into. Of course
the problem with that is everything, including you can technically
be defined this way. Entire Aeons can be classified as egregores.
The larger ones are sometimes called currents, like the 93, 169,
696, 120 etc ad infinitum. If that sounded round about think of it
as an astral support group almost. By being initiated into the GD,
you have a deeper access to their symbol set etched into the
ether. they can pass information into you subtly to guide you. it
would also make your journey the responsibility of the egregore,
which are usually fairly intelligent. And also possibly of the
"secret chiefs" if such things exist.
Pax et Lvx
The Watcher
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Overflowed_Buffer08-20-2004, 12:34 PM
It is curious that you would ask this because just last night I
was doing extensive research on egregores!
Elementals, I'm not informed enough to feel confident giving my
opinion.
Servitors and egregores are different because, according to the
normal definition, egregores are formed when projects or purposes
"take on a life of their own." So it could very well be
accidental, while servitors are purposefully created. Also, when a
few people form a group, sometimes they are said to also form
egregores of their group. An example I read of was an egregore
formed by gossip, heh.
This however is the definition of egregores that is not entirely
magic related. According to Summoning Spirits, egregores are just
things that you create or evoke (I don't remember what his exact
term was) that preform your tasks for you. He claims they grow
stronger and smarter as they are allowed to survive. This
information is similar to the non-magical definition of an
egregore.
I am probably wrong, but this is what I picked up while reading.
Please correct me if it is due.
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fiat_lux_77708-20-2004, 06:39 PM
93
Some very basic definitions -
Elemental - Gnome, Sylph, Undine or Salamander. A "personnification"
of the basic building blocks of manifest existence
Egregore - basically, meaning "watcher"....A thoughtform specific
to a group, especially a magickal Order, that encapsulates the
group's ideals and aspirations.
Servitor - generally an artificially created thoughtform or tulpa
created to accomplish a specific task.
All can be used in various ways, but it is wise to keep in mind
that:
1. Elementals are only effective within their own sphere of
operation (i.e. Gnome - Earth, Salamander - fire) and are actual
sentient beings that wouldn't take kindly to anyone trying to
imprison them in statues ;) To say they can be unpredictable and
capricious is an understatement.
2. Egregores generally can only be utilised by those initiated
into that particular group or current. The "new age" attribution
of egregores to thoughtforms to be utilised by anyone on a whim is
completely incorrect and uninformed.
3. Servitor - an artificially created being with a temporary
life-span that is intimately connected with its creator/s.
Generally not sentient in the ture sense of the word - performs
tasks to the letter of instruction - so make sure you are
unambiguous! If the servitor runs into problems - so do you :)
93 93/93
Todd
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