YHVH 09-02-2004 09:40 PM

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Well, I worked with a seer who was totally inexperienced in magick.
We worked with the Angel CONA from the Earth Subangle of the AIR TABLET.
We wanted him to help us in telekinesis.
I performed the LBRP, we did a meditation to open the 3rd eye as described in Master of the Abyss� site. We opened the temple in the 9=2 grade, I recited the 3rd and the 8th Key and the skrying began!
The seer, with her eyes closed, saw that she was in her room, nothing extraordinary or special in it . After numerous attempts, and while I was thinking to sit and skry instead of her, she saw something like a shadow in a road near my house. After vibration of ORO IBAHa AOZodPI, it took a winged form, hovering above the ground, with blond hair and a bit frightening teeth.We asked its name and it aswered CONA.
To make a long story short, the angel seemed to try to extract sexual energy from the seer in every opportunity. Sadly, the seer was too involved , making the communication harder, but He promised to help us and gave us a phrase/mantra for telekinesis. He seemed to be saying �again�. Again what? To perform the evocatin another time?
We gave the Licence to depart, he seemed a bit unwilling to go, but when we said that we love and respect him due to his quick coming and the help he would give us, he seemed satisfied and departed. LBRP.

However, 24 hours afterwards, we have difficulties using the mantra efficiently. We didn�t expect miracles, but for having a mighty angel�s (HE said he is an expert in telekinesis) help, we feel a bit dissapointed.

I�m pretty sure he wants to help us with his direct help and the mantra, but we don�t know how to EXACTLY use his help to bring results.

Frater Manjet 09-02-2004 10:06 PM

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Interesting... you didn't use any prefixing letter to KOMA ? What attributes did you ascribe to the file and column of the K square? What methods of validation did you use? Did you employ the Sigillum Dei Aemeth?

- VVV

Arianstar 09-03-2004 04:37 AM

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My first experience was in the first Aethyr Tex, boy what an experience. I was there and all a sudden a vase exploded and went throught me, astrally of course, and ever since then I have been able to manifest physical things, but unfortunatly I cant control it. It works by anger, figures, lol. Anyway, I havent done enochian in a while, since I didnt have a beginners book on it, and after that vase incident, I think I was reaching too far in an advanced book where I didnt totally comprehend the whole thing. Anyway, I will be starting it soon once again, once I get the book in the mail. Thanks for your experiences YHWH.

ArianStar

YHVH 09-03-2004 04:59 AM

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Slow down, slow down!!! It was my first attempt, I�m an enochian newbie!
Firstly, let�s... define the Angel.
This is the EARTH sUBaNGLE of the AIR TABLET:

c N a b r
O*i i i t T
A*b a m o
N a o c O
o c a n m
S h i a l

We have the Kerub CNBR. Instead of choosing the angel NACO,
for intuitive reasons I chose the Angel CONA, corresponding to the Kerub BeRaCeNu.

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you didn't use any prefixing letter to KOMA ?


KOMA? Prefixing Letter???
Let me make it clear that I used the book �The Enochian World of Aleister Crowley� by DuQuette, his commentary on Liber Chanokh and Crowley�s book itself, I didn�t make use of the sexual magick Duquette suggests, and I can�t figure out what this prefixing letter is. Can you rephrase the question please???

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What attributes did you ascribe to the file and column of the K square?


With my extremely limited knowledge in Enochiana I can�t figure out what you exactly mean, but I hope it helps to say that I chose the angel with my intuition, like �Let�s see... Who of you guys can help me?� I had a vast amount of luck concerning the angel�s attributes, it seems.

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What methods of validation did you use? Did you employ the Sigillum Dei Aemeth?

I vibrated ORO IBAHa AOZodPI, and he strengthened. We asked him his name, of course not like �Tell us your name, Angel CONA�, and the seer felt certain she heard CONA clearly. Afterwards we vibrated �CONA� several times and he took a more stable form.
The ONLY tools we used were a chair for the seer and a dagger, both for the LBRP and as an Air Dagger. And a circle made of flour, as our sense of art demanded it. Nothing else, no holy table, no Sigillum dei aemeth, not even the watchtowers.

Could you please tell me how can I use the Sigillum dei Aemeth next time and how will it help: will it strengthen the vision, the communication, the conjuration or all three???



And HOW CAN I USE THE HELP HE PROMISED US, AS WELL AS THE BLOODY MANTRA??? It doesn�t seem to help at all!

MaeveQ 09-03-2004 05:34 AM

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Maybe the changes are still to manifest, maybe a little later, it'll be effective..

endor957 09-03-2004 10:24 AM

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well either way YHWH, it's a good experience to share and thanks for doing so.

Frater Manjet 09-03-2004 11:13 AM

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YHVH,

I hope I didn't come across as confrontational. My monitor only allows so much time each session, so brevity is a neccesity.

I will reply in more depth soon as my new monitor is in the post as we speak.

- VVV


YHVH 09-03-2004 11:07 PM

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I hope I didn't come across as confrontational.



Of course not, I just don�t know much abot the Enochian system.

However, when you are able to do so, informations aout the practical application of the Sigillum Dei Aemeth would be greatly appeciated.

YHVH 09-04-2004 06:29 PM

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SECOND EVOCATION of CONA - IT IS GETTiNG TOO INTERESTING FOR MY STOMACH


Well, due to the fact that he told us �again�, we performed the rite yesterday, 3 persons participating - the operator and two seers (stupid idea - it was experimental, but it didn�t work as I expected)

The second seer saw the angel, but didn�t try to commnicate due to lack of efficient coordination from the operator - that�s me.

The first seer, the seer from the first evocation - here it gets interesting - saw the Angel, who told her that the first seer should depart from the circle immediately. The funny thing is that ShE DIDN�T TELL US, because she didn�t want to insult the first seer. One big blind spot in operator-seer relationship inside the circle.
AND the angel CONA kissed her (?!?!?!?), which she did�t tell me until we left the circle, and tried actively to make sex to her (remember the fact that he continuously tried to extract sexual energy from the seer during the first evocation?), which she also didn�t tell me until we left the circle!!! After a while I gave the Licence to Depart, banished etc.
So, this resulted in three people in three different situations.
-The operator, who thought that nothing was happening and that the communication was extremely weak,
-The second seer, who was standing there like an idiot,
and -The first seer, who was having adventures without our - or AT LEAST the operator�s - knowledge.
We are considering to evoke him again, for a last time, to clear things up, only the two persons from the first evocation of course.

The Angel tried to make sex with the seer because:
-the energy from the contact is what he asks in return for his help
-this way he will give the seer far more telekinetic abilities, I mean that he chose it as a good way to channel his abilities to her
-or something else?

Do you think that the seer should let the angel... operate???
(However, she has no problem! How the hell do they do that???)

(Consider for a moment what this woman has lived in two days. From the absolute conviction that magick does not exist and the hope that the opposite is true, she saw visions which she easily acknowleged as NOT her own imagery, she developed minor telekinetic abilities and now she is ready to have sex with an Enochian Angel. Believe it or not, I would like it if MY start in magick was so active!)

The seer from the first evocation saw the

fatbastard 09-04-2004 06:53 PM

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Hey YHVH, aren't seers supposed to just be neutral mediums for communication ?
Is it documented that this particular angel trades sex fluids for
telekinetic abilities? or its that he told you so.
I have no idea about Enochiana neither CM that much. I study alchemy.
But from the paranoid's point of view you know, "again" is quite common
in sexual activities :wink:

Frater Manjet I believe is the authority here to answer this.
I`m going to climb up my ladder and hide now :)

Frater Manjet 09-04-2004 08:19 PM

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What you describe confounds me. This does not ring valid to me. I highly suggest you work a little higher up the chain as KONA is a lesser servient angel. RKONA* ( the ruling lesser angel ) would be a good start.

I would even strongly suggest calling upon EBATN; and I personally would never work anything below Kerubic without authority by OIIIT / AIAOAI. Remember that the lesser servient angels are not far up the "evolutionary" ladder, so to speak, from the cacodaemons. Great care is needed in any type of operation as this, but especially in the servient squares.

As to the Sigillum dei Aemeth, I would never attempt any such operation without it in use. It is the "one" vital implement that should not be ignored. I cannot stress this enough!

* This is what I was thinking of when I mentioned prefixing KONA. To have the authority of the ruling lesser angel overseeing the discourse.

"Laiad Holq Ta Napea" - VVV

YHVH 09-05-2004 01:05 AM

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Hey YHVH, aren't seers supposed to just be neutral mediums for communication ?


Yes, and that would be ideal, but my seer has a tendency to get too involved...

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* This is what I was thinking of when I mentioned prefixing KONA. To have the authority of the ruling lesser angel overseeing the discourse.

I�m not really sure if we are speaking about the same thing, but in the book �the enochian world of aleister crowley� prefixing is mentioned only in Godnames ruling Kerubs (only the prefix and a Kerub�s name is used) and these triliteral elementals/demons, I have no idea what these are. I haven�t heard of prefixing letters to angels before, can you explain/rephrase???
On second thought, let�s leave that prefixing thing out, I�m never going to understand it.

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and I personally would never work anything below Kerubic without authority by OIIIT / AIAOAI

Oh yes, I use them in the enochian conjuration, along with the 6 seniors and the Kerub�s name.

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Remember that the lesser servient angels are not far up the "evolutionary" ladder, so to speak, from the cacodaemons. Great care is needed in any type of operation as this, but especially in the servient squares.

NOW I UNDERSTAND! I was always considering even the one letter-named angels extremely pure and �angelic�! Thank you, this makes many things a lot clearer, suc as the frightening teeth etc.


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As to the Sigillum dei Aemeth, I would never attempt any such operation without it in use. It is the "one" vital implement that should not be ignored. I cannot stress this enough!

do you think that a paper copy of it from a book is good enough? But, most importantly, HOW do you use it, when no skrying instrument is used?

PS: The angel CONA is helping in telekinesis, though. Things are far easier now, the mantra is helping.

PS2: I chose to evoke him alone today, and he was calmed and said he has no problem if I share the mantra he gave us with you people. The mantra is abdul-badhad-mi . I know it sounds silly, but believe me, it works!

Frater Manjet 09-05-2004 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by YHVH
do you think that a paper copy of it from a book is good enough? But, most importantly, HOW do you use it, when no skrying instrument is used?

I have only used my proper beeswax seal so I can't speak as to how a paper version would work. In either case it should be properly opened.

When not in use under my shewstone I will either place it top center or under my altar.

- VVV

fatbastard 09-05-2004 02:36 AM

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Yes, and that would be ideal, but my seer has a tendency to get too involved...

Just tell her to lay back and think of England.
(Victorian advise to women in how they could endure sex)

I apologize for the rude joke, but it was just begging on its knees! :lol:

Watcher 09-05-2004 12:58 PM

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In the angels defense not all of them are all that pretty. Just as evil spirits can appear shining , an angel can appear bad. Not so much that they do it to decieve but that it corresponds to their office. Do you expect an angel ruling death or fermentation to look all that nice?

About the mantra, how exactly do you pronounce it. I've caused damage because of misuse of mantras as some need to be more precise in my experience. Also do you know exactly how and by what means it works. It may sound a little overcautious of me but better safe than sorry. Besides, maybe some day you'll be able to use that information to make formulas just as effective.

Frater Manjet 09-05-2004 01:10 PM

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In the words of the Bard... "Fair is foul and foul is fair" ring veryt true in many cases. My reservations have nothing to do with appearances. It is rather the overall nature of the related experience.

- VVV

All_One_Mind 09-06-2004 02:34 AM

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I feel very lucky to be blessed with a strong ability to skry. It means that in any operation I do, I only have to deal with the subjective mind of one individual, instead of two.

I am not questioning the validity of the experience one way or the other. I honestly don't know, as my only Enochian experience is in Aethyr work. One thing I did want to mention is that I have not heard of Enochian angels demanding sexual energy in exchange for their services. This leads me to think the seer has probably seen the title of your book, Enochian Sex Magick, and has some type of mental assocation between Enochiana and sex.

YHVH, if you have any skrying or astral projection abilities, I recommend that you ditch the seer. That would leave only one subjective mind to filter the events instead of two. Only a suggestion however. Sounds like you're at least getting down to the knitty gritty.

YHVH 09-06-2004 10:38 PM

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I am not questioning the validity of the experience one way or the other. I honestly don't know, as my only Enochian experience is in Aethyr work. One thing I did want to mention is that I have not heard of Enochian angels demanding sexual energy in exchange for their services. This leads me to think the seer has probably seen the title of your book, Enochian Sex Magick, and has some type of mental assocation between Enochiana and sex.



Recalling why the system was termed enochian, these angels claimed (according to Dee) to be the same ones who communicated with prophet Enoch. The mythology behind Enoch is that angels mated with the daughters of men, so it doesn't sound much like the seer's surface of the subconscious.


As for the mantra, I've NEVER used one before, I have absolutely no idea how I should use it. I feel like I'm using an extremely small percentage of its potential.

Frater Manjet 09-09-2004 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by YHVH
The mantra is abdul-badhad-mi .


I am quite familiar with the language and I cannot find anything that even comes close to these words. I even tried breaking it up every way I could think of. I ran the gematria and could find no connection.

This and other aspects lead me to beleive you are being deceived.

If you are truly bent on continuing this operation I feel I must strongly suggest AAOZAIF for more input, a second opinion in a matter of speaking.

On a personal note, since you asked for input, I do not feel you are ready for this type of operation.

- VVV

Mosieur D 09-10-2004 12:26 AM

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"abdul-badhad-mi "
it sounds like Arabic, or maybe Sanscrit

YHVH 09-10-2004 12:34 AM

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On a personal note, since you asked for input, I do not feel you are ready for this type of operation.

This might be why the whole thing doesn't seem to work...
However, as I previously said (did I?), I personally repeated the procedure (attention please: I didn't say "evoked CONA", for I'm beginning to doubt) and what he told me confirmed the seer's legomena. I don't think I contacted a being other than CONA, but possibly, due to my underdeveloped astral senses, I contacted subconscious junk.

But how is this possible? I did the LBRP, I opened the temple efficiently (I was feeling the presence of the air element all three times) and I recited the appropriate calls and the enochian conjuration. Then I relaxed, closed my eyes and, like when daydreaming, I think I spoke with the entity CONA. Where can the mistake be "hidden", except of my skrying abilities???

On second thought, KEEP SCRYING, Johny Walker paraphrased.


Thank you for your help, everyone!

Frater Manjet 09-10-2004 12:54 AM

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An operation such as this requires more than simply following a "recipie" so to speak. The calls should be intimately "known" to the magickian. Simply going through the motions can lead to all sorts of self-deceptions. This current is so very prone to such deceptions one needs to exercise great caution with all aspects of it. I have had countless such experiences in my years working with it. I have discounted more than I have accepted. Be very critical in your analysis of any Enochian work!

"Laiad Holq Ta Napea" - VVV
 

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